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Bigotry against gun owners on display at street fair
Submitted by: David Codrea
Website: http://www.davidcodrea.com

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... "They were not there 'to debate.' They were there to insult, to resort to the childish tactic of questioning the manhood of the open carriers, and to chastise them to 'get a life' in a song written especially to attack the gun rights advocates. In other words, these 'community leaders' were there to stir up crowd ugliness against a minority they disapprove of." ...
 

Safer Streets 2010: Answering TIME Magazine's Locked and Loaded
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"This week's October 11, 2010 edition of TIME Magazine gets off on the wrong foot with its lede that militias are anti-government. [Locked and loaded. The secret world of extreme militias.] The piece turned in by Barton Gellman overlooks one critical component in the United States."

"Basically, gun control and anti-independence thought comes from a politic which believes that anyone other than the people are the sovereign in this country. Gun control is un-American because it challenges the sovereignty of the people by attacking the lethal force which backs our sovereignty." ...
 

Grassroots Activism: The Power of One
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"What can I do? I'm just one person. I don't know anything about campaigning and I don't have much money. How can I impact an election in which thousands � or millions are going to be voting?"

"I hear that a lot and the simple answer is: Pick your candidate and then do your very best to make sure that everyone you know, and everyone you meet, knows why you have picked that candidate. To further illustrate exactly how much influence one person can have I'd like to present a real-life, fictional story." ...
 

Study the �Castle Doctrine� debate in PA, it has a familiar ring
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Pacific Northwest gun rights activists should feel better this morning because they are not the only firearms owners plagued by boneheads working from the same gun prohibitionist playbook."

"The debate right now in Pennsylvania over expansion of the so-called 'Castle Doctrine' (a common misnomer because what they are really talking about is the principle of Standing Your Ground, which is widely recognized here in the Evergreen State and even upheld by a series of State Supreme Court rulings), and opponents have trotted out the usual arguments." ...

 

BATFE to be silent about percentage of Mexican 'crime guns' traced
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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... "Going back to the WaPo article, we get to the money quote:"
"The U.S. government and Mexico both refuse to release the results of the traces."
"And again I must ask, 'Why?'"

"And at the end, we get this:"
"In an interview, [Deputy Director Kenneth] Melson said the ATF would no longer release such figures "because these percentages have been misused, misinterpreted, for political agendas on both sides of the gun issue."
"I don't know about 'both sides,' Deputy Director Melson, but I certainly agree with your assertion that the figures have been misused for a political agenda." ...
 

What Burden of Proof Is Constitutionally Required for Denying Gun Rights to the Allegedly Dangerous and Mentally Infirm?
Submitted by: Rick Schwartz
Website: http://www.weprotectyourkids.com

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"California Welfare & Institutions Code � 8103 provides that once someone has been evaluated or taken into custody as being 'a danger to himself, herself, or to others,' he may be barred from possessing guns for five years if the government 'show[s] by a preponderance of the evidence that the person would not be likely to use firearms in a safe and lawful manner.'"

"Yesterday's People v. Jason K. (Cal. Ct. App.) upheld this provision, with a pretty thorough constitutional analysis; it concluded that the government didn't have to prove dangerousness by clear and convincing evidence, or beyond a reasonable doubt." ...
 

Girl hunters showing off
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"I know this is a firearms rights column, but I am a sucker for great hunting stories."

"Stories of young boys experiencing the shots of a lifetime are great reads, but there are better tales� tales of young girls doing even better! I have been bear hunting myself for years in great bear habitat (the Ouachita mountains) and have never been able to even get a shot. However, the bear season had only just begun this year in eastern Oklahoma and western Arkansas and grand accounts of hunting anecdotes about young people are pouring out of the woods." ...
 

Have You Seen This Elk?
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks officials are seeking information from the public about the illegal killing of a 6�7 bull elk on the Woody Island Coulee Block Management Area (BMA) north of the community of Turner. Turner is located about 30 miles north of Harlem on Montana Highway 241. Havre-based warden Wes Oedekoven told TTAG that the elk was shot without the land owner's permission on Oct. 2. Oops. It's bow-hunting season; rifle season doesn't start until the 23rd. The carcass was left to rot. Anyone with information about this dead elk should call Oedekoven at (406) 262-2407 or the Turn In Poachers-Montana hotline at 1-800-TIP-MONT (1-800-847-6668). ..."
 

Hale Fellows Well Met
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Well, my kid told me that since my significant other's birthday was coming up, I should take her somewhere special."

"So, I took her to Paris on her birthday."

"Paris, Tennessee, that is, where Terry Riley and his crew at the Henry County Gun Club ... were running the Kentucky/Tennessee Regional IDPA Championships. For a self-described 'shooter-chick,' it was the right birthday present."

"We got to meet a great bunch of folks. That's par for the course at shooting matches. The range officers were safe and fair ... The format was 'shotgun start,' which means that instead of being assigned to squads, the shooters fan out and shoot at whatever firing bay they want, the most logical way to herd cats. ..." ...
 

Gun Review: SIG SAUER P238
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"The moment the SIG SAUER P238 disappears into your hand you know it's a beautiful piece, a diamond that's not even slightly rough. The Colt Mustang clone has all the solidity and precision that's typified the Swiss-born company's products since SIGARMS set up shop stateside in 1985. That's quite a feat, given the the P238 weighs just 15.2 ounces unloaded. The gun's light enough to stash in a pocket, yet heavy enough to make it a perfectly controllable pistol." ...
 

Gun Review: Chiappa Firearms Rhino
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"What's new about the Chiappa Rhino .357 Magnum revolver? Everything. Forget everything you ever thought you knew about magnum revolvers, or snubnose revolvers, or handgun recoil, or concealable stopping power. If Chiappa can iron-out a few wrinkles in its execution (ergonomics, anyone?), the Rhino could be to conventional revolvers what HMS Dreadnought was to capital ships. Even the Ruger LCR already seems quaintly backward by comparison . . ." ...
 

Stoeger Cougar vs. Wilson Combat X-TAC (videos available)
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"A $499 Stoeger Cougar vs. a $2395 Wilson Combat X-TAC? D�uh. But that�s not the point, exactly. Post review, both guns are headed back to their respective manufacturers. Before they leave TTAG, I wanted to know if a total newbie would be appreciably more accurate with the Wilson than the Stoeger. We found our test subject at American Firearms School. It was Rob�s first day shooting a gun in the history of the world ever. The target was at 10 yards. Make the jump for Rob�s rendezvous with the Wilson Combat X-TAC." ...
 

Mag Cap Madness: Arsenal's 10 Round Mag for 7.62X39 Ammo
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Of all the stupid gun laws that have ever been written, including the one in Chicago not allowing a legal gun owner to take his weapon onto his porch, the laws restricting magazine capacity to 10 rounds are the most absurd. Where is the data proving that limiting the number of bullets in a handgun or modern home defense sporting assault rifle ... protects the public? Does someone somewhere really believe that they�re saving lives by forcing a [theoretical] mass killer to reload?" ...

"Into the breach steps Arsenal (through their buddies at K-Var), with their new 10-round 100 percent US made 7.62�39 magazine. They're the first US-made magazine with a steel lug insert, which creates a precision fit and ensures longevity ..." ...
 

Gun Review: Stoeger Cougar .45 ACP
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"The Stoeger Cougar is a continuation of the now-defunct Beretta 8000 (a.k.a. Cougar). Ironically, Beretta discontinued the 8000 during the same year that Desperate Housewives hit the airwaves (2004), a show that gave new prominence to the two-legged definition of the word 'Cougar.' Just as the the new meaning reinvigorated an old stereotype, the Stoeger Cougar looks set to bring the gun name back into fashion. Not high fashion. More like the Mercury Cougar, a car known for its budget glamor and performance. For some, that's a highly appealing proposition . . ." ...
 

Gun Review: Kimber Ultra Carry TLE II vs. Glock 30 (video story)
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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Right Wing Militias and the NRA: Second Amendment Soulmates
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"This week's Time magazine cover story on 'The Secret World of Extreme Militias' sounds an alarm that cannot be ignored. The threat of terrorism is real, but it does not originate with Al Qaeda alone. The danger of homegrown right wing political violence is just as real."

"The Time article describes, in chilling terms, the proliferation of heavily armed, right wing militias engaged in paramilitary training to resist the perceived 'tyranny' of government authority. Time notes that although the groups and individuals of the violent right reflect a 'complex web' of ideologies, 'among the most common convictions is that the Second Amendment -- the right to keep and bear arms -- is the Constitution's cornerstone ...'" ...
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Submitter's Note: Well, it is.
 

Jamaica: Jamaican gun permit holder shoots an armed robber
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"As I�ve previously noted, I primarily write about armed self defense cases in the United States. This is because I�m an American, who focuses first and foremost on American gun and self defense rights. However, I also like to occasionally discuss armed self defense cases from around the world, such as this recent case from Jamaica:" ...
 

OR: Homeowner shoots a home invader in self defense
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"A late-evening intruder was reportedly shot in self defense by an armed homeowner."

"Police say that at about 8:15pm, a man attempted to break in to a home on the 5300 block of NW Edgebrook in Rock Creek, OR. Fearing for his safety, the homeowner reportedly grabbed and fired his self defense gun, striking the intruder in the leg and ending the attack. ... No injury to the homeowner or any bystanders was reported."

"By the time the police respond to a 911 call, the crime in question may very well have been completed. Even the best circumstances, the police are minutes away, while a murder, robbery, home invasion, or other violent crime can take place in just seconds. Luckily, this homeowner had a gun for self defense ..."
 

NRA Supports Pro-Gun Democrats, and Many Democrats Support the Second Amendment
Submitted by: Rick Schwartz
Website: http://www.weprotectyourkids.com

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"Earlier this week, I wrote that NRA would be foolish obey the wishes of Republican activists who want the NRA to endorse only Republicans, and especially to not endorse endangered House Democrats. Here are some data on NRA endorsements, and some of the actions that dozens of House Democrats have taken to merit their endorsements:"

"NRA Senate endorsements in 2010: 23 Republicans, 2 Democrats."

"NRA House endorsements in 2010: 197 Republicans and 61 Democrats" ...
 

IA: Representative Sorenson now listed on the NRA-PVF website
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"The NRA added Rep. Sorenson to their 'NRA-PVF' website of endorsed candidates today. Rep. Sorenson's endorsement is one of the only listed that is a local (not a US) race. This should speak volumes toward the level of support that the NRA is planning for Sorenson." ...
 

NC: NRA endorses McIntyre
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"The National Rifle Association (NRA) has endorsed Congressman Mike McIntyre for re-election to the US House of Representatives and has awarded him an A rating for his 'solid and consistent record in Congress' of preserving the rights of American gun owners."

"'As a member of Congress, you have demonstrated a proven commitment to our Second Amendment rights by voting to curb bogus lawsuits against gun manufacturers and to prohibit guns confiscations during states of emergency,' NRA Director of Federal Affairs Charles H. Cunningham wrote in the endorsement letter." ...
 

NY: NYSRPA Endorses Steve McLaughlin for State Assembly
Submitted by: NYSRPA-PVF
Website: http://www.nysrpa-pvf.org

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"The New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, the state's largest 2nd Amendment advocacy organization, announces the endorsement of Steve McLaughlin for State Assembly in District 108."

"'Steve McLaughlin respects the 2nd Amendment. He will work to protect our civil rights,' said Thomas H. King, President of NYSRPA."

"In contrast, his opponent Tim Gordon's record shows that he simply cannot be counted on to do that. 'Half the time he supports us and half the time he doesn't,' said King. 'Trying to play both sides is just plain lame. You either support our civil rights or you don't.'" ...
 

NY: NYSRPA Endorses Gregory Johnson for State Assembly
Submitted by: NYSRPA-PVF
Website: http://www.nysrpa-pvf.org

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"The New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, the state's largest and nation's oldest 2nd Amendment advocacy organization, announces the endorsement of Gregory Johnson for State Assembly in District 116." ...
 

DE: Christine O�Donnell, Chris Coons campaigns trade shots during latest maneuvers
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Things are getting testy between Republican Christine O�Donnell and Democrat Chris Coons as they both hit the campaign trail hard to prepare for their high profile debate scheduled for Wednesday, Oct. 13 at the University of Delaware."

"O�Donnell, the Tea Party backed candidate that gained a national profile after beating U.S. Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) in the September primary, has made more public appearances in recent days, appearing for instance at the Delaware State Pistol Club to accept the endorsement of the newly formed Sportsmen for O�Donnell Committee in New Castle the morning of Thursday, Oct. 7. The group praised O�Donnell for her commitment to protecting the right to bear arms guaranteed by the Second Amendment." ...
 

WI: Sheriff aspirant likens deputies to Nazis
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Rock County sheriff candidate Gary Keller on Thursday called deputies brownshirts, referring to Adolf Hitler's Nazi storm troopers."

"'Anybody that knows anything about history knows what I mean there,' Keller said. 'People ... don't have the confidence that they can talk to them and anything is going to be done about it.'" ...

"Spoden said he supports the Second Amendment and gun rights. He said his office would enforce the law regarding carrying concealed weapons, which is illegal in Wisconsin."

"Keller said he is the only pro gun candidate. He said the sheriff's office doesn't have to enforce the concealed carry law because it's unconstitutional. He said his priority would be to uphold the Constitution." ...
 

UT: Proposal would allow Utahns to carry hidden guns without permit
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Gun rights advocates in Utah are pushing a new law that would let residents carry loaded, concealed firearms in public without a permit."

"In its newsletter this week, the Utah Shooting Sports Council listed the so-called 'Constitutional carry' law as one its top priorities for the 2011 Legislature, which convenes in January. ..." ...

"'Basically, the right to keep and bear arms is a personal right just like you have freedom of religion, freedom of speech,' [Rep.] Sandstrom said. 'You don't get a freedom of religion permit. As a reporter, you don't get a First Amendment permit. So why guns?'"

"Steve Gunn, a Gun Violence Prevention Center of Utah board member, calls the proposal 'ridiculous.'" ...
 

Government Agents Seize Oath Keeper's New Born From Hospital (Video)
Submitted by: MACpistol.com
Website: http://www.macpistol.com

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Submitters note: In "live free or die" NH too. Yuck. Contact governor Lynch's office NOW! http://www.governor.nh.gov/
 

Government Seizes Newborn Baby Over Political Beliefs Of Parents
Submitted by: Anonymous

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"A newborn baby was ripped from its mother's arms by officials from the New Hampshire Division of Family Child Services accompanied by police after authorities cited the parents� association with the Oath Keepers organization as one of the primary reasons for the snatch, heralding a shocking new level of persecution where Americans' political beliefs are now being used by the state to kidnap children." ...

"Even if the additional reasons cited in the affidavit, which are unproven at this time, could be considered sufficient reason for the state to take the baby, the fact that political affiliations were even mentioned is a frightening indictment of how far the government's war on Americans who dissent against authority has advanced." ...
 

SPLC, DHS, Community Officials Team Up to Attack Patriot Groups
Submitted by: Anonymous

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"Stewart Rhodes writes today on the Oath Keepers website that the Southern Poverty Law Center is now officially part of the Department of Homeland Security. Rhodes sources a DHS document, entitled 'Countering Violent Extremism Working Group,' that lists Richard Cohen as a member of the DHS created group. Cohen is president and CEO of the Southern Poverty Law Center. ..."

"'What does the working group do? Make recommendations on training and how to use all of the local resources � police, social services, media, NGO's, you name it � to fight 'extremism.' So, now no need to file a FOIA request to discover that SPLC is writing the reports naming constitutionalists as possible terrorists. Now it is in your face and the mask is off,' writes Rhodes." ...
 

BREAKING TEABAGGER NEWS: Govmint Stoled Newborn Baby (labelled as Satire)
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Just when Teabagger parents thought they could have as many poor welfare children as they wanted, the big scary government child services came in and decided it could TAKE AWAY THEIR CHILDREN just because they are members of a Teabagger group that wants to protect the Constitution (with guns). This is all according to Jonathan Irish of New Hampshire, who is a member of 'Oath Keepers,' a militia group with a weird Constitution fetish, whose website says, 'We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.' The government is taking away this Teabagger spawn because it wants to MURDER the Constitution and and will hurt ANY brave citizen standing up to protect it. These people are truly great Americans." ...
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Submitter's Note: Although "Wonkette" identifies this as satire, it is an actual occurrence, and association with the OathKeepers was cited as one (of several) reasons for DFCS to take the child. Think about that for a minute: the left finds it risible that political affiliations are considered legitimate grounds for the State to remove children from their parents.
Oh, and in addition to refusing orders to disarm American citizens, OathKeepers have nine other orders they will not obey, including #10 "We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances." So DFCS took his child for belonging to an organization which supports freedom of speech and association.
 

U.S. Army Creates Unconstitutional Gun Registry
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"As I pointed out in yesterday's anti-ATF post, the The Firearms Owners' Protection Act of 1986 specifically forbids the federal government from maintaining a database of firearms sales. The [ATF]'s eTrace system is a clear and ongoing transgression of the Act. And now the U.S. Army's getting into the act. (Or out of it.) 'The U.S. Army command at Fort Hood, where Muslim psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly shot and killed 13 people and an unborn child, now is demanding that its soldiers confess whether they have any guns in their off-base homes, what kind of guns they are and what are their serial numbers.' wnd.com says the Army says it's all perfectly legal . . ." ...
 

Lynwood cop stopped, released on day of shooting spree
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"The Lynwood police officer charged in connection with the two-state shooting spree that left one man dead and two others wounded was pulled over at gunpoint by Lake County, Ind., police the same day the rampage happened � only to be released."

"The suspect, Brian Dorian, later wrote about what happened on his Facebook page." ...
 

FL: Cop Tells German Tourist He Could Get Raped For Speeding (video available)
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"A German tourist visiting the United States apparently thought he was back on the Autobahn when he reached speeds of 98 mph before being pulled over."

"The tourist then switched on a video camera to capture the exchange between himself and the officer." ...

"'You know what happens to nice little boys like you who have to go to jail for reckless driving � ass will be hurting for a month.'"

"'You slow down and go 70 or you will get violated.'"

"The officer ended up walking away without writing a ticket, so the tourist was not only spared getting gang raped in a jail cell for the crime of speeding, but he was spared a costly ticket." ...
 

CT: College Student Tackled and Handcuffed for Videotaping Cops
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"A college student was tackled and handcuffed for videotaping police arresting his friend on a public sidewalk in Connecticut last month."

"Kenneth Hartford, a student at Quinnipiac University, was charged with disorderly conduct and interfering with an investigation."

"The video shows that he was merely observing, which is his right."

"New Haven police spokesman Officer Joe Avery told The Quinnipiac Chronicle that Hartford "kept interfering with officers and was asked to back off" and that he was screaming at the officers."

"The video shows the unproffesionalism was actually coming from the officers." ...
 

MA: Wiretapping Charges Dismissed Against Man Who Videotaped Cop
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"A Massachusetts man who was arrested on wiretapping charges for videotaping a cop during a traffic stop had his charges dropped last month."

"Eli Damon was stopped on March 20 after he was riding his bicycle in the middle of the street. He had a video camera strapped to his helmet, not unlike Anthony Graber did when he was stopped on his motorcyle that same month."

"Graber's case was thrown out last month as well, indicating that judges are not buying into the mentality that videotaping police in public constitutes illegal wiretapping."

"However, authorities still have not returned Damon's confiscated camera, even though the charges were dismissed on September 14." ...
 

WI: Wisconsin Carry Sues Brookfield Over Arrested Church-Goer
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Wisconsin Carry, Inc. has filed a federal lawsuit against the City of Brookfield, WI and four Brookfield Police officers, after the po-po arrested one of their members back on the fourth of July, 2010. ..." ...
"As open-carry is perfectly legal in Wisconsin and the officers were aware our member had threatened no one and caused no disturbance, the officers had no reasonable articulable suspicion, which the law requires, to stop and detain our member against her will. In addition, by drawing their guns on a law-abiding citizen who had done nothing wrong, the officers used an unlawful threat of deadly force during their unlawful detainment of our member. ..." ...
 

IL: Police Raid Wrong Home, Scare Elderly Couple
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Imagine the surprise on 84-year-old Anna Jakymek's face when Cook County Sheriff's officers broke into her house Thursday night in a drug raid gone wrong." ...

"[The couple's son] Andrew Jakymek says when he arrived, police admitted they�d raided the wrong house."

"'When I arrived the officer explained they had misinformation, but said his job was over, and he was leaving. They left a copy of the warrant, but he absolved himself of any responsibility for the raid or the damage,' he told the Tribune."

"Andrew took a videographer around the house showing the damage, pointing out ripped open cabinets and damaged doors and windows. Jaykmek estimates the damage ... will cost up to $3000 dollars to repair." ...
 

SC: School Police Officer Suspended After Gun Loss
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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FULL TEXT BELOW:

The police officer at a South Carolina high school has been suspended after he lost his gun at school.

Multiple media outlets reported that Marion High School's resource officer said he lost his gun Sept. 30.

Marion City Administrator Alan Ammons says officer Allen Elvis reported the loss to his captain as soon as he realized the gun was missing.

Elvis also is an assistant coach in the school's football and baseball programs.

Ammons says the city is offering amnesty to anyone with information about the gun.
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H/t to David Codrea who says the amnesty offer "[r]eminds me of the story of the old man and the talking frog..."
 

WI: Defuse issue and allow concealed carry here
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Strap on your six guns, cowboys. Let's go scare some old ladies at Culver's."

"As a Florida resident and holder of a concealed weapon permit, I, too, would be concerned in Wisconsin if an armed group of everyday, just plain folks moseyed in packin' heat. Florida ... has a full, extensive background check, finger prints, state and county registration, weapon training and restrictions on where, when and how you can carry and use your weapon."

"I have never scared anyone by carrying my concealed weapon. But anyone � untrained, uninformed or just a cowboy � can strap on a gun and scare folks." ...
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Submitter's Note: Except, of course, the "little old lady" at Culver's wasn't scared. Once the 911 operator explained open carry is legal, the caller said "there�s no problem and it's no emergency . . . I feel bad then, if they're not doing anything wrong then it's my mistake."
 

MS: Letter to Editor: MAIG not to be trusted
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"In response to the Sept. 28 article titled 'Miss. called top gun exporter,' please note that no one should pay any attention to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and his group of accomplices known as 'Mayors Against Illegal Guns' (MAIG). They are against all guns, not 'illegal' ones, which are largely a figment of their imagination." ...
 

OH: Springfield, Ohio man wins Springfield 1911 in second gun giveaway
Submitted by: Bruce W. Krafft

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"Congratulations to Craig Kieffer of Springfield, Ohio, who is the winner in our second gun giveaway."

"As you can see from the photo, Craig is one happy gun owner. When he confirmed receipt of the firearm from his FFL, he wrote to us and said, 'I went shooting over the weekend and had a helluva lot of fun with it. It's a great shooting gun.'"

"Craig is a lucky guy because this gun giveaway came with a couple strange twists." ...
 

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Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands? � Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836

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