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Soldiers Pledge to Refuse to Disarm U.S. Citizens
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... "Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic � and meant it."
"Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and that oath will be kept. We won't 'just follow orders.'"
"Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason. We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic." ... |
Strange Alliances
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"Over at the ACLU blog, Catherine Crump discusses an upcoming censorship case that has been joined by a gun rights group. The lawsuit in question involves libraries that block internet access to all content considered unsuitable for children--including websites that talk about firearms:""At stake is whether libraries are free to use Internet filtering software to block adults' access to constitutionally protected speech. ... One of our clients, the gun rights group the Second Amendment Foundation, joined the lawsuit because the libraries went so far as to block all websites about firearms, including one of the advocacy organization�s own websites." ...
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Gunning for original intent
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"In a thrice-unlikely turn of events, the Constitutional Accountability Center, (CAC) a liberal think tank, has joined the National Rifle Association in arguing that an originalist interpretation of the Constitution should be applied to overturn Chicago's gun ban."
"The Supreme Court's decision in District of Columbia v. Heller ... prompted test cases in other cities, including Chicago. In its brief to the Seventh Circuit, the CAC launched its argument that the privileges and immunities clause of the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits states from violating fundamental liberties like the right to gun ownership. ..." ... |
Would an Assault Weapon Ban Have Stopped the Alabama Shooter?
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"Less than a day after Michael McLendon fired his last shot, gun control groups issued press releases that cited his murderous rampage ... as an argument for reviving the federal 'assault weapon' ban ... on the theory that outlawing the firearms supposedly favored by gangbangers and homicidal maniacs will reduce the casualties they inflict. ..." ...
"... the focus on the specific guns used in attacks like this is misleading because murderers don't need much 'firepower' when they're attacking defenseless victims at random. The day after McLendon ... killed 10 people in Alabama, a teenager used a 9mm Beretta pistol to kill 15 people in Germany. The deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was accomplished with two ordinary handguns ..." ... |
I am not a 'Conspiracy Nut'
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"I report that TIME prints an article called New World Order, where all the bankers and politicians are calling for global government - and I'm a nut."
"I report that the Obama administration lies about being pro-second amendment after AG Eric Holder says he wants to reinstate gun bans, and wants ammo-stamping - and I'm a nut."
"I report that FEMA Camps exist after the House of Reps passes HR 645 legalizing their existence - and I'm a nut."
"I report that Mexico is under Martial law along with a 100 mile deep stretch of the Texas border, as reported by FOX news - and I'm a nut." ... |
Across the Fruited Plain: The people fighting for your gun rights
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"Recently, USCCA's Kathy Jackson presented me with the idea of writing a regular column that could update members on the ongoing fight for gun rights at the state level." ...
"In late January, I set about to identify and contact the leading gun rights organizations in all fifty states ... requesting their help in keeping me up to date ...
"Identifying the right group was no easy task. ..."
"... There are basically three types of state organizations:"
"Groups centered around gun-show promotion ... Groups centered around competitive shooting ... and Groups that are centered on grassroots activism (the guys in the trenches fighting legislative battles year in and year out)." ... |
A grassroots win for gun rights
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"There has been a lot of talk recently about the DoD's decision to destroy spent cartridge cases, rather than selling them to ammunition manufacturers for 'remanufacture' ..."
"Apparently, though, the sleeping giant that is the gun owning public of this country can be woken, given sufficient provocation--because today, the DoD reversed (already) this badly flawed policy:" ...
"This, folks, is a triumph of good ol' fashioned grassroots activism ..." ...
"Imagine where gun rights would be today if every attack--past and present--on the Constitutionally guaranteed, fundamental human right of the individual to keep and bear arms met with that kind of groundswell of outraged indignation." |
Military ammunition policy rescinded
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"St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner Kurt Hofmann gives us happy news about 'a grassroots win for gun rights.'"
"There has been a lot of talk recently about the DoD's decision to destroy spent cartridge cases, rather than selling them to ammunition manufacturers for 'remanufacture' into inexpensive ammo...Apparently, though, the sleeping giant that is the gun owning public of this country can be woken, given sufficient provocation--because today, the DoD reversed (already) this badly flawed policy..."
"That is good news. Kurt calls it, 'a triumph of good ol' fashioned grassroots activism.'" ... |
Statement From NRA Chief Lobbyist Chris W. Cox : Military Surplus Cartridge Case Issue Resolved
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"Yesterday morning, the Department of Defense informed NRA-ILA that fired military small arms cartridge cases are once again eligible for sale, following a temporary suspension in such sales instituted last week. NRA-ILA began discussions with DoD shortly after the suspension took effect, and we were assured from the beginning that efforts were underway to resolve the issue favorably." ...
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Washington Times Gun Editorial Causes Panic in Right-Wing Crazy Town
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"A Washington Times editorial ... provocatively claims: 'Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns.' This editorial has the right wing Blogosphere all in a tizzy. The likes of NRA members, second Amendment groups, Sean Hannity fans ... and other assorted fringe-elements, came out from under their survival bunkers today ..." ...
"It bases this conclusion on the recent move by the Obama administration to use $2 million dollars from the pilot training program to hire additional supervisory staff, which will conduct field inspections of pilots. Holy smokes! A pilot training and field inspection program in the right-wing worldview, is apparently the same thing as a secret plan to ban guns on airplanes. Who knew?" ...
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Military Laser Hits Battlefield Strength
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"Huge news for real-life ray guns: Electric lasers have hit battlefield strength for the first time ..."
"In recent test-blasts, Pentagon-researchers at Northrop Grumman managed to get its 105 kilowatts of power out of their laser -- past the '100kW threshold [that] has been viewed traditionally as a proof of principle for 'weapons grade' power levels ...' Northrop's vice president of directed energy systems, Dan Wildt, said in a statement." ...
"Does that mean energy weapons are a done deal? Hardly. There are still all sorts of technical issues ... that have to be handled first. Then, the ray gunners have to find the money. The National Academies figure it'll take another $100 million to get battlefield lasers right. " ... |
Even the Federal Government Thinks We Are Terrorists
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"After I wrote that blog on the MIAC report revealing what the State of Missouri considered 'terrorist' characteristics, Mark Carroll sent me an email telling me that this didn't begin with Missouri. The Department of Justice and the FBI issued a report[.pdf] back in 1999 called 'Project Megiddo' that pretty much stated the same nonsense that the MIAC report did."
"By the way, since the Second Amendment grants[sic] citizens the right to bear arms in order to form a militia to defend themselves against a tyrannical Federal Government (and you thought the Second Amendment was about personal defense--shame on you), I actually think it is a good sign that the Feds are starting to fear the sprouting up of their enemies: the Militias." |
MO: State Officials Think Libertarians Want To Kill Police
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"Missouri's Libertarian Party got all hot and bothered this week upon learning that Missouri law enforcement considers its members to be part of the 'modern militia.'" ...
"'Militia members most commonly associate with 3rd party political groups,' reads the memo. 'It is not uncommon for militia members to display ... Libertarian material ...'"
"The memo was apparently leaked [to] radio talk-show host Alex Jones last Friday. ..."
"That's when Missouri Libertarian Party spokesman Mike Ferguson got wind of it. 'The ignorance of this would be funny if it were not so dangerous,' gripes Ferguson ..." ...
"Ferguson tells me he has requested meetings with the authors/issuers of the memo but has so far either been turned down or ignored." |
Los Angeles Times: Renewed 'assault weapons' ban won't help Mexico�s war against drug cartels
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"Here is a tale of two stories: One documents the truth and the other media bias, yet both exist within one article."
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"The Los Angeles Times reports that Mexican drug cartels acquire military weaponry from international sources and possess trained infantry units, enabling them to successfully attack Mexican police and military." ...
"... this news report tells the truth: Rich drug cartels successfully exploit the international arms market, which is supplied�legally and illegally�by government military markets, not by the civilian arms markets."
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"Before you start celebrating Rush Limbaugh taking over the LA Times, continue reading:" ... |
One year ago today, DC v. Heller
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"One year ago today I was standing on the wide white steps in front of the United States Supreme Court building with several of my fellow Second Amendment Sisters (www.2asisters.org)."
"We were holding up an enormous banner bearing our organization�s name. Around us were members of other pro-gun groups and local citizens wanting the Supreme Court to see in favor of Dick Heller who stood in the middle of us."
"What an awesome experience! School groups walked by asking what we were doing and why. Reporters from around the world interviewed us. TV cameras were everywhere. Videographers recorded our presence."
"Behind and to the side of us were members of the Brady bunch. Their numbers were fewer. ..." ... |
Government Taking Guns: ya gotta ask why
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"And you have to thank our patriotic Congressmen and Congresswomen when they speak up. Some aren't getting satisfactory answers, either, and they smell a rat. Some of the latest in the news who are defending gun rights are Democrats."
"It�s praiseworthy when Democrats break party ranks and speak out. Lady Liberty is partisan, and that doesn't mean party, it means being loyal to her more than party."
"A few months ago, pundits were reporting how the Dems really weren't going to get involved in any more gun control issues. One step further, some are even taking up positions against Attorney General Eric Holder and urging him to drop the idea of another Assault Weapon Ban. ..." ... |
A microcosm of microstamping
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... "Fraught with flaws, questions, and unresolved technical issues, [microstamping] is currently being heavily pushed in Connecticut, and the situation there gives us an opportunity to see what would happen in the rest of the country were a national initiative to be mounted."
"Monday, gun manufactures from across the nation banded together in opposition to this scheme for backdoor gun control. Joining them were the [NSSF] and the Connecticut Association of Firearms Retailers. Also noted as being in opposition was the National [FOP] and the Connecticut [FOP], along with the [NRA] ... Of course, all of this opposition isn't stopping anti-gun legislators from pushing SB 353, which would mandate the adoption of the patented technology by 2011." ... |
CNN Parrots Mexican Claims that U.S. Guns Fuel Drug Wars
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"Is foreign drug violence a reason to reinstate the ban on assault weapons in America? U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder thinks so. And judging by its relentless and one-sided coverage in the last month, CNN agrees."
"Let's connect some dots: Remember that whole Obama 'clinging to religion and guns' flap? Now, remember White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel saying never let a crisis go to waste? Good. Finally, remember how the media carried ... sorry, is carrying water for Obama?"
"It looks like Holder has internalized Emanuel's philosophy, and is looking at the bloody drug wars raging along Mexico's northern border as the crisis he needs to ratchet up gun control." ... |
Anti Gun Indoctrination in a Lombard, IL School
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"Over the last several days, I've exchanged emails with Amanda Razeq, an 11th grade English teacher at ... a high school in Lombard, Illinois. Ms. Razeq emailed me to ask if I would be willing to come and speak to her students about the proposed concealed carry law in Illinois ... Ms. Razeq politely emailed me back, said that she had found a pro gun rights speaker - but that the school was unwilling to allow any pro gun rights speaker to come speak to her class, out of concern for how the parents would react. The school said that only the anti gun rights speaker from the Million Mom March ... could come speak to the class, although Ms. Razeq (who is not an expert in the pro gun rights area) could offer her opinions. ..." ... |
IL: Teens Head To Springfield To Rally For Gun Control
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"Students from the South Side's Simeon Career Academy are boarding buses Wednesday morning and heading to Springfield to call for tighter gun control."
"The students ... are going to address lawmakers in memory of a friend who lost his life to a bullet."
"Freshman Gregory Robinson, 14, was shot ... as their car was inundated with gang gunfire from an AK-47 assault rifle."
"Robinson's classmates, led by the Rev. Michael Pfleger of St. Sabina Church, will rally in support of a bill to ban private handgun sales and establish universal checks for gun buyers."
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WaPo Loopy Labeling: 'Victims' Advocates' Oppose Gun Rights for Abuse Victims
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"As veteran readers of NewsBusters know, a good deal of liberal media bias comes in subtle labeling and phrasing. Today's Washington Post provides an excellent example of just that in a Metro section article pitting 'victims' advocates' against 'gun rights advocates' in a story about new gun restrictions ..."
"The House yesterday approved two measures that make it easier for judges to confiscate the guns of people accused -- but not yet convicted -- of domestic violence. ..."
"Meanwhile a separate bill by a Republican legislator that would make it easier for persons filing restraining orders to be granted concealed carry permits was defeated ..." ... |
Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American
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and their families that enforcement of existing immigration laws, as currently practiced, is 'un-American.'"
"The speaker, condemning raids by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents, referred to the immigrants she was addressing as 'very, very patriotic.'"
"'Who in this country would not want to change a policy of kicking in doors in the middle of the night and sending a parent away from their families?' Pelosi told a mostly Hispanic gathering at St. Anthony's Church in San Francisco." ...
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Pro-gun Democrats oppose new assault weapon ban
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"Sixty-five House Democrats said Wednesday that they would oppose any attempt by the Obama administration to revive a ban on military-style weapons that President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1994 and President George W. Bush let expire[sic]."
"The pro-gun Democrats, led by Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., wrote Attorney General Eric Holder that they would 'actively oppose any effort to reinstate the 1994 ban, or to pass any similar law.'"
"They urged the administration to avoid a 'long and divisive fight over a gun control issue' at a time when Washington needs to concentrate on the economic crisis."
"The House letter came a day after Montana's two Democratic senators ... wrote a similar letter to Holder ..." ... |
Feinstein Urges Tougher Gun Laws to Prevent Mexico Violence
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"Senator Dianne Feinstein wants to toughen U.S. gun laws to prevent violence in Mexico. ..."
"... Feinstein recounted a recent meeting she had with the Mexican ambassador to the U.S."
"'I have never seen deeper concern on an ambassador's face,' she said."
"... Feinstein sent letters last week to President Obama and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, urging them to take action against illegal arms trafficking. More than ninety percent of the weapons seized by law enforcement in Mexico come from the United States."
"'A return to the import ban on assault weapons in accordance with the 1968 gun control act would prohibit the importation of assault weapons not used for sporting purposes,' said Feinstein." ... |
IL: CPS Students Rally For Tougher Gun Laws
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"Students from Simeon Career Academy spent the day in Springfield Wednesday to rally for tougher gun control in Illinois."
"The students from the South Side school addressed lawmakers in memory of a fiend who lost his life to gun violence. 14- year old Gregory Robinson was shot on Friday while he sat in a car in front of his home."
"'We're tired of losing our friends to gun violence.' said 18-year old senior Ronnie Mosley. Mosley and dozens of his classmates made the trip to rally for House Bill 48 which would ban private handgun sales and establish universal background checks for gun buyers." ...
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MT: Law would allow concealed guns without permit
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"Members of Montana's law enforcement community came out in force Tuesday against a controversial bill that would allow citizens to carry concealed firearms without a permit."
"During a lengthy hearing in the Senate Judiciary Committee, House Bill 228 pitted public safety officials against the [NRA] and other gun-rights advocates."
"Under the proposed law, citizens could carry a firearm inside city limits without a permit and would have the right to defend themselves with it without having to first call for help or try to run away."
"Opponents of the measure call it a 'shoot-to-kill' bill, adding it will weaken prosecutors' ability to convict violent criminals." ...
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MT: Expanding Gun Rights
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"Some Montanans are up in arms about a bill that aims to expand gun rights in Montana and protect citizens by allowing the use of guns for self-defense."
"House Bill 228 would allow all law-abiding Montanans to carry concealed weapons inside of city limits without a permit. In addition, it would let citizens use their weapons in self-defense if necessary. ..."
"Opponents argue that this bill would lead to an escalation in gun violence by allowing anyone who feels 'threatened' to fire a gun. They claim this bill would threaten the safety of citizens by making it too easy for guns to be used in the wrong way ..." ...
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Peaceful Dissent and Government Witch Hunts
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"As most readers of this are probably aware, the Campaign for Liberty has been singled out, along with a few other political groups, in a leaked Missouri state government report, 'The Modern Militia Movement.'[.pdf] The document tells state officials to be on the lookout for violent extremists while conflating them with pretty much anyone who criticizes the government. Perhaps most troubling, the information apparently comes from the Department of Homeland Security, meaning that similar documents could be circulating in states other than Missouri."
"The brush with which this report paints critics of the federal government is so absurdly broad that it should not have to be taken seriously. ..." ... |
More feds headed to border to quell drug violence
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"Seeking to stanch the flow of drugs, guns and violence saturating the Mexico-U.S. border, the Obama administration is preparing to send more federal agents as reinforcements."
"The [ATF] is sending 37 agents to the region, while the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency may reassignment[sic] at least 90 officers to the border, and official familiar with the plan said. ..." ...
"The ATF agents will be added to anti-gunrunning teams in McAllen, Texas; El Centro, Calif.; and Las Cruces, N.M., as well as to U.S. consulates in Juarez and Tijuana. ..." ...
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Army Investigating How and Why Troops Were Sent Into Alabama Town After Murder Spree
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"The U.S. Army has launched an inquiry into how and why active duty troops from Fort Rucker, Ala., came to be placed on the streets of Samson, Ala., during last week's murder spree in that tiny South Alabama community. The use of the troops was a possible violation of federal law."
"'On March 10, after a report of an apparent mass murder in Samson, Ala., 22 military police soldiers from Fort Rucker, Ala., along with the provost marshal, were sent to the city of Samson,' Harvey Perritt, spokesman for the U.S. Army ... told CNSNews.com on Monday."
"'The purpose for sending the military police, the authority for doing so, and what duties they performed is the subject of an ongoing commander's inquiry ...'" ...
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WA: Prosecutors release Olsen's missing 16 minutes
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"Newly released dispatch tapes show a Spokane policeman involved in an off-duty shooting waited 16 minutes before stepping out of the darkness and surrendering himself to his fellow officers."
"Prosecutors say the fact Jay Olsen never called for help after shooting Shonto Pete two years ago is a sign Olsen knew he had broken the law and was already working on damage control in the moments after the incident." ... |
LA: Cash For Guns Concept A Dud?
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"Give up your guns and get some greenbacks. Nice concept, but not for cutting down street crime according to law enforcement experts interviewed ... today."
"Clergy members and cops today announced another gun buy-back event scheduled for next month, but one gun guru and deputy chief say such programs don't necessarily stamp out street crime."
"District Attorney investigator, firearms instructor and contracted fugitive transporter, Michael Jurina said buy-back programs are great for getting guns from well-intentioned people who either want to get rid of a rusty weapon or avoid becoming another statistic. Jurina added the programs are best for preventing potential accidental discharges, not for stopping street crimes." ... |
FL: Fort Pierce officials want residents to trade guns for cash
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"As part of a larger strategy to combat rising gang violence city officials want people to give up their guns in exchange for money."
"'I think the timing is right because people are economically depressed, and a siphon of this size could be an incentive for somebody to turn in a weapon that's worthless,' said City Commissioner Reggie Sessions ..."
"People who turn in guns could receive up to $100, Sessions said, depending on what the gun is worth on the street. Sessions said selling the gun for less than street value would be pointless because people would just sell them on the street."
"The Police Department would allocate up to $10,000 for the gun buyback program ..." ... |
Pakistan: Police missed 3/3 attackers despite firing over 400 bullets
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"Gulberg Police have claimed firing 423 bullets in the Liberty shootout but at the same time admitted that none of the assailants were hit."
"The Gulberg incident left six people dead and 16 others, including five Sri Lankan players, injured."
"The police have claimed in its reports ... that 17 policemen through 21 weapons fired 423 bullets at the assailants, who fled unharmed."
"... the police have admitted that despite all-out efforts, the policemen failed to gun down or arrest the attackers. It said the attackers were firing from a safe place, due to which they could not be hit. It said the accused ran on foot after the shootout and some policemen chased them, but the exercise did not lead to any arrests." ... |
UK: Speeding traffic officer jailed
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"A policeman has been jailed for 20 weeks after crashing his traffic patrol car while driving at up to 122mph on the motorway in 'appalling weather'."
"Sergeant Craig Bannister, 30, of South Wales Police, had denied dangerous driving but was found guilty by a jury."
"Cardiff Crown Court heard Bannister, of Briton Ferry, near Swansea, aqua-planed before skidding and landing in trees."
"Recorder Peter Murphy QC said Bannister 'launched a speeding missile into the unknown' on the non-emergency journey."
"He also ordered that Bannister retakes a driving test before having his licence returned."
"South Wales Police said Bannister had been suspended from duty with immediate effect while the force held a misconduct inquiry." ... |
Navy Rifle Trio Named All-Americans
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"After finishing the 2008-09 rifle season with a 17-1 overall record and its 18th straight NCAA Championships appearance, the Navy rifle team was rewarded for its efforts as three shooters garnered All-America status, the National Rifle Association (NRA) announced recently. Seniors Lisa Kunzelman and Alex Karacsonyi were named to the air rifle squads and sophomore Chris Burleson was selected to the smallbore team."
"The three awards now gives Navy 118 All-America accolades in the program's illustrious history." ... |
IL: Warm day brings outburst of violence
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"Two teens and a 21-year-old man were wounded in gang-related shootings and a man was found stabbed to death in a West Side alley late Tuesday following what was already an unusually violent day in Chicago."
"In all, at least ten people were shot and one stabbed in street violence that accompanied springlike 74-degree temperatures. (Map)" ...
"The late-night violence followed a day where there were at least four other shootings spread across the city." ... |
UK: Jolie gun film advert is banned
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"A television advert for the DVD release of Angelina Jolie's film Wanted has been banned for 'glorifying' gun use."
"The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) ruled that the commercial gave the impression that 'using guns was sexy and glamorous'."
"Makers Universal Pictures have been told the advert cannot be shown again in its current form, and is unsuitable to be seen by older children."
"One complaint from a member of the public was received by the ASA." ...
"The ASA noted that the advert for the 18 certificate movie was not allowed to be screened when younger children were likely to be watching."
"But the watchdog ruled it was unsuitable for older children as well." ... |
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